Testing AMD's Zen 5 Performance Update: Ryzen 7 9700X, Windows 24H2, AGESA Update

Zen 5 is not a miracle for gaming, yet still better overall, 9800X3D will change this tho: A perfected 7800X3D.
 
Hom3r said:
Zen 5 is not a miracle for gaming, yet still better overall, 9800X3D will change this tho: A perfected 7800X3D.
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From leaks it seem that the 9800X3D should improve performance in games sensitive to clocks, less so games that benefit from extra cache vs 7800X3D. The higher base clocks should improve the 0.1 % lows.
The Cinebench 23 score got ST score higher than any Zen4 cpu and MT score on par with a 12 core 7900.Screenshot_20241016_183256_Chrome.jpg
 
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Since you are testing with 1080p because that tells about future, how about noting fact that Zen5 is much more future proof than Zen4? As expected, not single word about that one.
 
WhiteLeaff said:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9700x/18.html

Why are the Cyberpunk figures so different from the TPU? They're using VBS, an old version of the OS, and yet the framerate is higher.

Have you mysteriously broken Windows again?
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W1zzard at TPU uses his own benchmarks - he doesn't use built in ones. He finds spots in games he believes best represents overall gameplay. That is usually why his numbers can vary compared to other sites, sometimes he gets higher numbers and other times they're lower.
 
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Not sure what everyone was expecting, all I see are a lot of people with unrealistic expectations .. eventually amd was going to hit the same ceiling as intel. v3d was a good leg up but NOW that the base cpu architecture is nearly as good as intel's that extra cache does not help as much. now we are on a level plating field and clock speed is back in the drivers seat until someone comes up with new ways to improve base-cpu IPC
 
I'm skeptical that the 9800X3D is going to be that much better than the 7800X3D. AMD seems to have made sure the 7800X3D is scarce before the launch of the 9800X3D. To me that seems to be a move to justify the initial price of the chip as the 7800X3D was often under $350. If the 9800X3D is 20% faster than the 7800X3D, a lot of people would be willing to pay that premium for the 9800X3D (likely $450). But if it's only 10% or less, then the 7800X3D would have still been the go to choice. I'm guessing the increase will be 7-9%. Hope to be proven wrong as I would like to think upgrading to the 10800X3D at the end of AM5 cycle would yield an impressive gain from the 7800X3D.
 
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Since you are testing with 1080p because that tells about future, how about noting fact that Zen5 is much more future proof than Zen4? As expected, not single word about that one.
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I thought 1440p is the new 1080p?

https://www.techspot.com/article/2905-1440p-is-the-new-1080p/

They're testing at 1080p because anything higher will show little to no gain even for X3D. There wouldn't be an article to write. For those gaming at 4k, stick with Ryzen 5600 level CPU and you're fine.
 
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I thought 1440p is the new 1080p?

https://www.techspot.com/article/2905-1440p-is-the-new-1080p/

They're testing at 1080p because anything higher will show little to no gain even for X3D. There wouldn't be an article to write. For those gaming at 4k, stick with Ryzen 5600 level CPU and you're fine.
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I thought they are testing low resolutions because it "will show what performance is expected when GPUs get better". At least that is supposed to be one reason.

If going for future, then Zen5 is also much more future proof than Zen4. No single word about that however. Double standards...
 
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WhiteLeaff said:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9700x/18.html

Why are the Cyberpunk figures so different from the TPU? They're using VBS, an old version of the OS, and yet the framerate is higher.

Have you mysteriously broken Windows again?
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most likely they test in a different area of the game or one of them uses the in-game benchmark tool
HardReset said:
Since you are testing with 1080p because that tells about future, how about noting fact that Zen5 is much more future proof than Zen4? As expected, not single word about that one.
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I've come from the future Hardrest to let you know both Zen 4 and Zen 5 become outdated at the same time based on their respective performance. Also to let you know that in fact you did go blind so stop doing that to yourself!
 
dirtyferret said:
I've come from the future Hardrest to let you know both Zen 4 and Zen 5 become outdated at the same time based on their respective performance. Also to let you know that in fact you did go blind so stop doing that to yourself!
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Always nice to hear from future. Now, tell me reasons for that. I will then use your information when I write about this.
 
HardReset said:
Always nice to hear from future. Now, tell me reasons for that. I will then use your information when I write about this.
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The AMD fans all go for the newly released Zen X. On the Intel's side, the "Q-cores" are a real game changer on the Intel Ultra Light Superior CPU line. And yes, Nvidia still offers video cards with only 8GB of VRAM in them (why does everyone keep asking me that?).
 
dirtyferret said:
The AMD fans all go for the newly released Zen X. On the Intel's side, the "Q-cores" are a real game changer on the Intel Ultra Light Superior CPU line. And yes, Nvidia still offers video cards with only 8GB of VRAM in them (why does everyone keep asking me that?).
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Thank you. I will now start promoting Zen X and downplaying Intel Q-cores. Your help is appreciated.
 
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Everyone is waiting for the 9800x3d - I’m much more eager to see if the new 9900x3d and 9950 x3d gets shared cache between the chiplets, if they in turn increase that cache versus 9800x3d - we could suddenly be looking at new champions in the gaming cpu market
 
HardReset said:
Since you are testing with 1080p because that tells about future, how about noting fact that Zen5 is much more future proof than Zen4? As expected, not single word about that one.
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Are you available to pay 20-25% more for identical performance but a little bit more future proof? I have 8th gen Intel CPUs and they work today after 6 years
 
rmcrys said:
Are you available to pay 20-25% more for identical performance but a little bit more future proof? I have 8th gen Intel CPUs and they work today after 6 years
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Why not? According to Techspot, you should play more for "future proof" things like RT performance or DLSS. So yes, you should pay more to get Zen5 because it IS more future proof.
 
I'm curious, how many of you use the included boxed cooler anyway? Once shopping above $200 doesn't nearly everyone spend the extra 10% to get something a lot better?

Last time I tried the boxed cooler was with a higher specced one - Wraith Prism on a 3600x*. Turned the computer on and the first thing to do was order a new cooler because my god is that thing ever loud. Temps were hitting like 86 Celsius as well. Personally I'd rather get $5 off.

I'm sure AMD/Intel could save about $5 if they stopped including crap cooler and stuck the CPUs in a much smaller box (something like a DVD case could still fit a lot of info/take up visual space in physical stores) whilst cramming a lot more units into a shipping container.

If they want to keep including boxed coolers they should make it something like the Arctic Freezer 7 Pro (92mm Tower Cooler with decent performance). The costs can't be that much higher but temperatures and noise are on another level (for the better).

* The shop I ordered the 3600x from had a special deal where for £0.10 extra you could get a Wraith Prism instead of Wraith Spire cooler so I figured I'd give it a shot. Ended up selling the Wraith Prism for £10 on Facebook marketplace so it worked out for me.
 
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Steve really hit the nail on the head:

"the 9700X really should have been called the 9700, being a 65W part, it should have been priced at $330, especially considering it doesn't include a cooler like the 7700 did."

That one sentence sums up the entire affair.
 
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Since you are testing with 1080p because that tells about future, how about noting fact that Zen5 is much more future proof than Zen4? As expected, not single word about that one.
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Why do you think Zen5 is much more future proof than Zen4?

Because it's not.

Same performance. Same motherboards. Same hypothetical proofing.
 
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