Zen 5 sales have not gone well and AMD is struggling to sell Ryzen 9000 CPUs. Let's analyze the flow-on effects this is having across the rest of the CPU market.
No One Is Buying AMD Zen 5 CPUs, So What's Going On?
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They're expensive and offer little to no gains over the previous gen and even (I have a 5800X3D) the gen before. They are just not worth upgrading to.
Tuxie
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Still happy with the 7950X3D.
yRaz
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There is a combination of problems. It's obvious they offer little over the previous generation whole being expensive. However, being expensive never stopped enthusiasts from upgrading in the past. I think the real issue is that we're in what I've heard people call a "silent recession" and they just don't have the money to spend.
Silent because you cant admit you caused one before an election
People waiting for x3d models. Personally would like to see more cpus without moving to Threadripper
yRaz
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They gave away trillions in free money during covid, what we're experiencing now is a "hangover" from all the free money. What the FED is doing now is taking that money out of circulation. Neither Biden or Trump have any control over the FED.
Squid Surprise
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It’s not as huge a problem for AMD as the article says though… as long as the primary competition is ALSO AMD, they’ll be making money…
Eventually they’ll run out of Ryzen 4 parts and you’ll have no choice but to get 9000 series… Unelss the next Intel is competitive, this will remain the same for awhile…
Kind of reminds me of MS releasing Windows 11… (and 10, 8, 7 etc)… people said it wasn’t as good as the previous version and “adoption was slow”… but since there was no alternative, people adopted eventually anyways…
Eventually they’ll run out of Ryzen 4 parts and you’ll have no choice but to get 9000 series… Unelss the next Intel is competitive, this will remain the same for awhile…
Kind of reminds me of MS releasing Windows 11… (and 10, 8, 7 etc)… people said it wasn’t as good as the previous version and “adoption was slow”… but since there was no alternative, people adopted eventually anyways…
Nobina
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AMD has different customer base than Intel/Nvidia. I would say people who buy AMD are more value oriented. Zen5 offers almost nothing, so people see no reason to buy it, simple as that. With Intel/Nvidia, even though they release products that fail, burn your house down and have terrible value, their customers don't care and are lining up to buy the latest, most expensive product.
passwordistaco
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AMD's bread and butter right now is Epyc, so they're less concerned with consumer CPU sales. It's similar to Nvidia prioritizing AI accelerators over consumer GPUs.
Those that wanted the best gaming system over the past couple of years have a 7800X3D and have no reason to upgrade. Those sitting on AM4 either have or can grab a 5800X3D or 5700X3D for much cheaper than CPU/RAM/mobo upgrade. Those dumping Raptor Lake/Refresh for AMD can get Zen 4 (and VERY close to the same performance) cheaper that Zen 5.
The absence of X870 boards doesn't help Zen 5, either. Why buy a 6XX board when USB 4 is a few months away? If there is a lack of reasonably priced (<$250) X870 boards, that won't help Zen 5, either.
Those that wanted the best gaming system over the past couple of years have a 7800X3D and have no reason to upgrade. Those sitting on AM4 either have or can grab a 5800X3D or 5700X3D for much cheaper than CPU/RAM/mobo upgrade. Those dumping Raptor Lake/Refresh for AMD can get Zen 4 (and VERY close to the same performance) cheaper that Zen 5.
The absence of X870 boards doesn't help Zen 5, either. Why buy a 6XX board when USB 4 is a few months away? If there is a lack of reasonably priced (<$250) X870 boards, that won't help Zen 5, either.
axiomatic13
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I have a 7950X and I want nothing to do with that PPM driver. I would have bought the 9950X until I read that it weirdly needs the PPM driver as an X series processor. I'm sorry but after watching Jay2Cents video on the specific requirements that need to be met for the PPM driver to trigger? Nope, do not want.
VitalyT
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I'm now 4 years with 5900X, and very happy with it, no need for upgrade.
Theinsanegamer
Posts: 5,993 +11,414
It's real simple, there's no reason to. They offer almost nothing over the 7000 series in performance, so only people upgrading from old hardware will consider them, but most desktops today are DIY boxes and they will either go for budget CPUs, Intel mid rangers, or Ryzen x3d chips for gaming, for the most part.
HafizNafes89
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Intel's Lunar Lake is based on TSMC's 3nm technology. They have already released several CPUs using this architecture and plan to launch desktop models soon. Currently, AMD is benefitting from the issues that Raptor Lake has been facing in gaming PCs. I have decided to stick with my Ryzen 9 5950X until a more compelling upgrade option is available. I don't think Zen 5 is the right choice for me right now.
Starfals
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7800X3D ftw 
Tons of people got this one last year, so I just dont know who would buy this new generation. So far, they only got CPUs for work too. The last gen was really impreeisvee, so again.. if you got last gen, this gen is a meh one.
People coming from earlier stuff are in a tuff place. Last gen is super cheap now, the current new gen is barely any faster... and cost a lot more. I guess thats why nobody is buying anything.
Tons of people got this one last year, so I just dont know who would buy this new generation. So far, they only got CPUs for work too. The last gen was really impreeisvee, so again.. if you got last gen, this gen is a meh one.People coming from earlier stuff are in a tuff place. Last gen is super cheap now, the current new gen is barely any faster... and cost a lot more. I guess thats why nobody is buying anything.
I purposely buy AMD because:
1. I am a huge fan of the late cofounder Jerry Sanders who said "People first, product and profit will follow."
2. AMD was an Intel subcontractor for the x386 CPU's, up until they improved the engineering of the X386 and started selling higher clocked ones that Intel could not match. Intel sued AMD to strip them of the X86 cross licensing agreement and prevent them from being able to make any more X386 cpu's. The X86 licensing legal battle lasted something like 7 years (AMD won finally and to this day can continue to make X86 cpu's.)
3. Intel being sore loosers and very unethical bribed big name PC manufacturers to only use Intel cpu's even though the AMD Athlon cpu's were superior, AMD sued intel over that and won.
4. AMD developed the AMD X86-64 instruction set NOT Intel.
5. Yes, I also agree that AMD brings value because of it's longevity of it's platforms. I too run the 5800X3D processor on the Gigabyte Aorus Master motherboard. The performance advantage of AM5 7800X3D over AM4 5800X3D and the hardware costs to transition to AM5, DDR5, at the time I built my system, did not convince me to build AM5.
1. I am a huge fan of the late cofounder Jerry Sanders who said "People first, product and profit will follow."
2. AMD was an Intel subcontractor for the x386 CPU's, up until they improved the engineering of the X386 and started selling higher clocked ones that Intel could not match. Intel sued AMD to strip them of the X86 cross licensing agreement and prevent them from being able to make any more X386 cpu's. The X86 licensing legal battle lasted something like 7 years (AMD won finally and to this day can continue to make X86 cpu's.)
3. Intel being sore loosers and very unethical bribed big name PC manufacturers to only use Intel cpu's even though the AMD Athlon cpu's were superior, AMD sued intel over that and won.
4. AMD developed the AMD X86-64 instruction set NOT Intel.
5. Yes, I also agree that AMD brings value because of it's longevity of it's platforms. I too run the 5800X3D processor on the Gigabyte Aorus Master motherboard. The performance advantage of AM5 7800X3D over AM4 5800X3D and the hardware costs to transition to AM5, DDR5, at the time I built my system, did not convince me to build AM5.
brucek
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It's not surprising that consumers aren't buying more expensive parts that offer no advantage over less expensive parts.
It would be surprising if AMD thought they would, which makes me wonder what the internal discussions were around this strategy.
Did they expect it to come out better? If so, then what happened? Or if this is all the original plan, then what was that plan?
I have a faint hope that X3D version + new motherboards might do something, maybe?
It would be surprising if AMD thought they would, which makes me wonder what the internal discussions were around this strategy.
Did they expect it to come out better? If so, then what happened? Or if this is all the original plan, then what was that plan?
I have a faint hope that X3D version + new motherboards might do something, maybe?
systemBuilder22
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Intel has run out of RMA units for 13900 and 14900 series chips. I have heard that every single datacenter user takes their cash refund and INSTANTLY buys a 9950x since its FAR FAR SUPERIOR to 7950x/3d for all server applications, in every single way (50% power reduction, 20% speedup on massively parallel apps, etc.). Games are not the whole world, you know? Oh I suppose not, you don't know ...
I still have my first IBM clone, a 386DX-40. My cousin had a 486-33 at that time, and I remember for some things my PC was actually faster, and a WHOLE lot cheaper unit.
I run Linux now for everything but gaming (soon to come), and anytime you download source files you often see "amd64" identifying the 64-bit files, as opposed to "i386" for 32-bit. When I was starting out I was never sure that would work on my Intel machines because of the naming, then I would faintly remember the legal battles from reading articles about it in my huge Computer Super magazines.
Thanks for the memories!
zamroni111
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We all know that most desktop buyers use desktop for gaming
amd should release 9800x3d on day one
amd should release 9800x3d on day one
zamroni111
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I bought zen4 laptop so I can use windows 10
better cpu and igpu as well
brucek
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Are any of those consumer/enthusiast chips actually used in data centers? I thought they were all Xenon, Epyc, or other lines that are designed for use in those environments.
Also: that replacement 9950x is not going to work on the motherboard the 13900/14900 came out of, so while I understand the preference, I'm not sure how practical it is either.
Alfatawi Mendel
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"No One Is Buying AMD Zen 5 CPUs, So What's Going On?"
Nonsense! My brother bought one yesterday as part of an AM5 upgrade kit.
Only one of the above statements is true. Can you guess which one?
Nonsense! My brother bought one yesterday as part of an AM5 upgrade kit.
Only one of the above statements is true. Can you guess which one?
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