The RTX 5090 uses Nvidia's biggest die since the RTX 2080 Ti

nVidia is getting drunk off of the AI sauce. And well they should, after all they have SHAREHOLDERS to please, and they seem to be doing quite well in that arena. The fact that they are still making cards for 'the little people' should have everyone bowing and scraping at Mr. Huang's feet. Elon and Larry are not above the bowing and scraping bit, so why not you?

The past few decades have seen HUGE changes in the market place, not to forget politics, as the raw power of unfettered money has taken hold. In the former, YOU are now the biggest product. In the latter, power is now the ultimate political prize.

I hope for a rather large meteor / comet soon. Large enough that a few gigatons of explosive force won't dissuade it from its unintended target.
 
There’s no technical documentation because everything he said is false. Modern GPU memory buses work in multiples of 32 bits. There’s nothing “better” about a 256-bit bus vs a 192-bit bus except for total bandwidth. You can get the same result by increasing clocks which is exactly what GDDR7 does.
Some data needs to be send in parallel, not in series and some of it needs to be send ever clock cycle even of its the same data. So you have certain features clogging up these lanes sending essentially the same data regardless of the speed of the ram. DLSS is one of those features that sends redundant data every clock cycle to be functional. So those lanes are clog regardless of the transfer speed of the memory.
 
I’m really enjoying the fact we have all this competition in the GPU marketplace between the big 3. If anyone remembers just a couple of years ago it was Nvidia dominating everything. Same goes for the cpu marketplace between the years of like 2009-2017ish Intel dominated AMD. This is all good for business folks!
What? :D Nvidia is like 90% owning the market. Its worse than ever. Intel is less than 1 % if I recall right. THey got nothing. CPU space is indeed interesting and going well. GPU? Not at all. Sad but a fact. If everyone was competing equally, we would have much better prices and products. People always complain about Nvidia.
 
More leaks to attempt free viral marketing.... No one should believe any of this hype until these cards are actually benchmarked against actual games.
 
MSRP $2499 US.
Current rumors $1900 for reference model as paper launch scaling upwards of $2500 for after market ones before vat/potential tarrifs.

I don't agree about AMD not competing isen't causing prices to swell and is causing them to lose significant market share because of it. Also while not the same the CPU market proves gamers will support AMD if they had the crown. Once the Goats praise a great product the sheep will follow!
 
"The massive chip measures 744mm2" neah I'm waiting for a 30cm pan size full wafer in oder to fry my meat. 600w should be good for a slow cooker.
 
Ahh, the 5070, the specs say it's a 60 class card being sold as entry level high-end. I guess charging more for the 60 class cards weren't enough, they had to increase margin by renaming them as 70 class card's. 192bit bus....

I know the memory bandwidth is faster, but I don't think people understand how much buswidth can impact performance in some games. It's not as simple as A+B=C. There are instances where bus width means more than just total bandwidth. This is especially true now that upscaling is now a necessary-yet-unnecessary reality we live in.

The 192bit bus used to he reserved for 60 class card's and 128 bit for the 50 class card's.

The amount of shrink-flation in modern graphics cards is offensive. Either make the cards slower to match a price or raise the price to match the bill of materials. Don't do both. I don't think people are angry at just the increase in cost. I think they're getting angry at getting less for more money.

I'm sure someone will reply that it's AMDs fault which is funny because they were very competitive on price on the 6000 series and they sold worse than the 7000 series that didn't compete on price. So consumers basically showed AMD that they're going to buy nVida regardless of how competitive they are.
People that are buying an upgrade GPU want to buy one that's an actual upgrade AMD has the new build market when prices important to the build because they're building on a budget. Most GPUs are sold as upgrades.
 
Just remember: EVERYTHING happens for a reason.....

And the reason we are in this convoluted clustercrap sh*tfest is that stupid people continue to do stupid sh*t, like paying nGreediya's outrageous prices for GPU's over & over & over again, which only condones their actions of rising prices & only producing miniscule/pitiful performance improvements with every new generation of cards while constantly charging more for them !

They're just following Intel's lead, who has done the exact same thing for many, many years now....

So.... if you purchased an NV card in the past 5-8 years, this entire situation is YOUR OWN DAMNED FAULT ! Just deal with it :D
So if you want a company would you just give away the products at the bare minimum that you could? You wouldn't have a company very long if you did that.
 
Adding buswidth essentialy just adds tracing on the PCB. That's an oversimplification, but increasing buswidth doesn't add much cost. The problem is that some of these features needs 32 and 64bits of bus width to work properly. So now you're waiting for enough bus to open up for the feature to function. You're delaying data that could be used for rendering to make room for upscaling or ray tracing. It gets delayed by a clock cycle or, in some instances, needs to be used every clock cycle. So that 192bit bus on the 5070? It's realisticly a 160 bit bus. When you get down to cards with a 128 bit bus, because of how many things that card needs to do just to function, it really only has 96 bits available. So the faster bandwidth helps, but the smaller the buswidth gets the bigger impact these "necessary features" have on the over all performance of the card. This is why you see massive gains when running DLSS on things the like 80 and 90 class card's but you sometimes see single digit gains on lower spec cards.

Their linux support is trash and that's really why an nVidia product will never be an option for me. They said they're working on improving it, but I'll believe it when I see it. For the time being, ARC cards have better linux driver support than nvidia cards. My next card is likely going to be an 8800xt or a used 7900xt/xtx if the price is right.

They admitted they skipped on development and marketing, they did issue plenty of incentives where the scalpers bought them at Rock bottom prices. Then we had the supply chain issues hit shortly after then everyone could get no new cards to market from either party.

Frame gen is now considered an essential feature and if you still have a 30 series card, you're gonna need to use FSR to get it. I can't wait to see what new features DLSS 4 brings with the 50 series that 40 series users will need to start using FSR to get.
Linux...lol there's your problem.
 
What? :D Nvidia is like 90% owning the market. Its worse than ever. Intel is less than 1 % if I recall right. THey got nothing. CPU space is indeed interesting and going well. GPU? Not at all. Sad but a fact. If everyone was competing equally, we would have much better prices and products. People always complain about Nvidia.
Intel is extremely dominant in CPU compute capacity and efficiency. For most people needing to use their computers for both work and play Intel is the better option. If you can afford to make a special computer just for gaming and a different one for working Intel would be in the work computer and AMD is an option for the play only computer. But it's rare that people have two computers in the same household for the same user.
 
Lol - so much arguing. Yes - competition is good, and no - AMD has given up the high end line - so there won’t be any competition for at least a couple of years.
Good thing for everyone - FSR abd Fluid Motion (AMD frame gen) works on all cards - so if Nvidia locks more dlss features to their new generation, you can use the AMD software upscaling features which has gotten pretty decent.
I like Dlss..I think it looks pretty damn sharp at quality settings. But if you don’t like it, use DLAA - it’s taxing, but looks great. Or don’t - you can tune games however you want to.
Nvidias new card will probably also run great without DLSS if the specs are correct.
Framegeneration is the only feature unavailable to older than 4th gen users - and it has its own toggle. I rarely use it as it feels janky quite often. Pathtracing is cool - but regular ray tracing looks almost as good - so in the few games that support it, I usually turn it off to gain another 30 fps.
It’s not black and white - but I do wish AMD would step up their game a bit and compete in the high end as well
 
It is not unexpected to be honest. Nvidia is adding significantly more to the hardware specs while using the same TSMC 5nm. Regardless of whether cost is going to go up, Nvidia will charge us more for higher performance. Or they will tell you MSRP is XXX, but in reality, they are sold way over the MSRP for all sorts of excuses around shortage here and there.
 
I’m really enjoying the fact we have all this competition in the GPU marketplace between the big 3. If anyone remembers just a couple of years ago it was Nvidia dominating everything. Same goes for the cpu marketplace between the years of like 2009-2017ish Intel dominated AMD. This is all good for business folks!

AMD is still a second tier gpu vendor to NV .. and in 2 years intel will NOT be making any dGPUs
 
All of this continued price inflation makes console gaming more and more attractive.

I have a 7900XTX for my PC, but over the weekend I played A Plague Tale Requiem on my Xbox Series S which I got in 2022 for £184. It played fine.

I refuse to pay $2000+ / £2000 / €2500 for the ability to play games on my PC. It's ridiculous.
 
All of this continued price inflation makes console gaming more and more attractive.

I have a 7900XTX for my PC, but over the weekend I played A Plague Tale Requiem on my Xbox Series S which I got in 2022 for £184. It played fine.

I refuse to pay $2000+ / £2000 / €2500 for the ability to play games on my PC. It's ridiculous.

It's pretty easy to build a $200 PC that plays A Plague Tale Requiem at 1080p/30 like a console and it can play thousands of other great PC games, too.
 
I wonder how many cables/connectors will melt this time around.
Well, I believe the rumor is they're going to use 2, 12 pin connectors on it so hopefully, none. I do see the 90 class cards as an exercise in excess so I only feel so bad for people. I spend a lot of money on my hobbies but I have a difficult time calling gaming a hobby.
 
I wonder how many cables/connectors will melt this time around.
Its probably not gonna be pretty, but hey.. its user error right? Its not Nvidias fault. Same thing about prices! AMD is to be blamed, not Ngreedia. Basically, all the bad stuff they do = someone elses fault :D :D
 
Are you broken?

IMO there's no competition in the GPU space. It's Nvidia charging whatever they want and delivering less each refresh while upping the prices, with the other two companies getting a participation medal.

The market is very heavily Nvidia dominated and everything coming out seems to have a semi for DLSS, and reviews all panda to it as well. Game developers target Nvidia for optimising because they have around 80% of the install base using their hardware (Ref: Steam Hardware Survey).

AMD do have competing products to the RTX 4080, 4070 and 4060 class cards. Intel has 4050/4060 class hardware too, but neither company get a sale over team green 9 times out of 10 because you **must** have DLSS - Pay the extra is all I see these days in every review.

So, to bring it back full circle: Nvidia will charge whatever they want next release. Prices will go up. They will sell out. Their competitors won't gain market share because they are portray negatively by reviewers, the media and game developers. Consumers won't care what anyone else does even when competitive because it's not an Nvidia product. Sales already cement this is happening when they're given the choice.

"The market"... ?

The market that you speak of is the stock market, not the gaming market. You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to gaming, or gaming cards. High end cards are purchased for high end frames (ie raster)

See,
Many people here gaming and have friend who game and who have other friends who all game and we all have different cards so we know the truth. So much so, that many of My friends & clanmates played "The Market" and sold their 4090 at a profit & bought XTX's to game on. (Pro tip: People don't buy rtx4090 so they can upscale...)

CUDA is dead in gaming, & the 090 cards will always sell hard, because Content Creators buy them up cheaply, instead of spending $3k+ on a PRO card for the full die. And we just recently saw how nVidia has to use gimmicks and upscaling to beat a lower priced Radeon card in raster.

Only buy nVidia cards if you are a non-twitch gamer who plays single-player games... turn up RT and 0.o


If you game at 1440p then a 4080/XTX chiplet is the type of performance you want.
Luckily, 2 years after the RDNA3, AMD is coming out with RDNA4.. & with that will soon be releasing a card nearly as fast as the 7900GRE, but on a single die and for $480 bucks. nVidia is going to try and compete with that price/performance and fail miserably as the 5070 will be $800+.


As mentioned, early next year AMD will be releasing their mid tier (rdna4) Gaming cards. And later in 2025, AMD will release their top-tier gaming rdna5/HBM cards, based on custom chiplet designed for Professional gamers and creators. (Custom chiplets $1,500~$2,500)
 
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