Economists warn that Trump's tariffs could cause tech prices to skyrocket

OK, alright, so all of that might be true. What do we do about it? How can we fight back against countries that steal our jobs?

We can't keep going on like this. We need jobs back in America, we need to make things again. If not tariffs, then what? Lie down and do nothing? That's not an acceptable choice in my book.
 
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Then try this one:
www.pbs.org

What Trump's tariffs have cost the U.S. economy

The tariffs that are already in place and the threat of a renewed escalation present enormous costs to Americans.
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org
And I have many more. Just ask. Many people don't know how to search.
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Yes, I know how to search. I also don't talk to strangers and don't eat yellow snow.

Gloom-and-doom MSM articles speculating about the future are of little value. Explain to me again why orange-man-bad tariffs were horrible, but Biden running with the same and more tariffs over the last four years weren't.
 
Kirby1 said:
It's straight up delusional to blame anyone other than Putin for the war. He decided to invade, not the US.
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Putin invaded Ukraine during Obama's second term. Obama did not intercede. Putin did not invade Ukraine during Trump's term. Then invaded one year after Biden was elected. The stench of weakness from a doddering, only-half-there president was message enough for Putin.

Kirby1 said:
Trump literally tried to withhold defense funding for Ukraine before Putin invaded. He literally made the situation worse by delaying the funding for several months at a critical time.
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Biden was already president for a year before Putin invaded. So this claim is devoid of facts.
Kirby1 said:
Putin played Trump like a fiddle.

As for NATO or US military spending, the US only spends about 3% of its GDP on military spending. The amount is a lot because the US has such a high GDP, but it's about the same percentage as most other developed nation.
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Only eleven of the 32 NATO member nations meet their agreed obligation of 2% of GDP. The US contribution is more 3.49% of GDP, second only to Poland at 3.9%. In raw dollars, the US contributes 16% of the total annual expenditures for NATO.
 
trparky said:
OK, alright, so all of that might be true. What do we do about it? How can we fight back against countries that steal our jobs?

We can't keep going on like this. We need jobs back in America, we need to make things again. If not tariffs, then what? Lie down and do nothing? That's not an acceptable choice in my book.
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Well I will say again I'm not anti tariff. What I'm against is its botched use.
And let's face it, if I could answer those other questions I could run for President, though even then I doubt I could go far because of my desire for a mandatory Bacardi day of the week.
bclaymiles said:
Gloom-and-doom MSM articles speculating about the future are of little value. Explain to me again why orange-man-bad tariffs were horrible, but Biden running with the same and more tariffs over the last four years weren't.
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Honestly, that has been explained already, you just ignored the proof.
And "gloom and doom" reporting is usually called that because it laid out facts one side or the other did not like. Unfortunately, gloom and doom can be accurate reporting.
bclaymiles said:
It's amusing that that is the ONLY portion of my response you acknowledged. I guess the facts I provided were too inconvenient to respond to.
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Well, I was thinking the response I gave and the info I linked to answered the rest nicely.

But in my defense, I am still waiting for the questions about Harris policies that
nobody on the right can seem to find. They sure do complain about it enough, so I would think they should have no problems finding out something they claim isn't out there for
all to easily see.
 
Kirby1 said:
BRICS economies are actually taking a beating right now due to the Rubble crashing and a lot of sanctions making it much harder for them to do business as usual.
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You mean the ruble. But wasn't that supposed to have crashed a long time ago?

Also, isn't the one leading BRICS not Russia but China?

Finally, aren't they affected in the same way as the U.S. and G-7, except that the latter are struggling with incredible level of debts and even have to rely on BRICS for goods and services?
 
monkeylove said:
You mean the ruble. But wasn't that supposed to have crashed a long time ago?

Also, isn't the one leading BRICS not Russia but China?

Finally, aren't they affected in the same way as the U.S. and G-7, except that the latter are struggling with incredible level of debts and even have to rely on BRICS for goods and services?
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Short answer, no.

BRICS has no leader. Every member wants to be the leader, so they can't agree on anything.

Over 80% of global trade is done in US currency for the simple fact that the US economy is huge and it's currency is extremely reliable. That will never be true for BRICS.
 
bclaymiles said:
Putin invaded Ukraine during Obama's second term. Obama did not intercede. Putin did not invade Ukraine during Trump's term. Then invaded one year after Biden was elected. The stench of weakness from a doddering, only-half-there president was message enough for Putin.



Biden was already president for a year before Putin invaded. So this claim is devoid of facts.


Only eleven of the 32 NATO member nations meet their agreed obligation of 2% of GDP. The US contribution is more 3.49% of GDP, second only to Poland at 3.9%. In raw dollars, the US contributes 16% of the total annual expenditures for NATO.
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It's straight up delusional to blame anyone other than Putin for the war. He decided to invade, not the US.

There is definitely an argument to be made that the global response to Russia's past transgressions was wrong and more should have been done. I think just about anyone would agree with that now.

But one thing is more clear than anything else, Trump would have been on Putin's side. Trump tried to block defense funding for Ukraine while he was president during a critical time, as a favor to Putin. He may infact be responsible for the invasion as a result. At the very least, he made the situation worse.

Any pro Trump argument in the context of the Russian invasion is pure delusional thinking that ignore very clear and real events.
 
bclaymiles said:
Yes, I know how to search. I also don't talk to strangers and don't eat yellow snow.

Gloom-and-doom MSM articles speculating about the future are of little value. Explain to me again why orange-man-bad tariffs were horrible, but Biden running with the same and more tariffs over the last four years weren't.
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Because Biden also initiated the Chips Act, which achieved the results that the tariffs were aiming for.

And because we don't want to raise the prices significantly higher at this point, which Trump would probably do.
 
trparky said:
OK, alright, so all of that might be true. What do we do about it? How can we fight back against countries that steal our jobs?

We can't keep going on like this. We need jobs back in America, we need to make things again. If not tariffs, then what? Lie down and do nothing? That's not an acceptable choice in my book.
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The Chips Act.

The US economy exports skilled labor and knowledge above all else. We buy things from China because their economy is better structured to do lots of unskilled labor for cheap. The US economy focuses on other things.
 

ICYMI: U.S. Economy the "Envy of the World," on Pace to Grow Twice as Fast as Any Other G7 Country | The American Presidency Project

www.presidency.ucsb.edu www.presidency.ucsb.edu

"The US is on track to grow at double the rate of any other G7 country this year, according to IMF forecasts, as the strength of the world's biggest economy rocks global markets."

Just a quick read for anyone that wants to be reminded how fools ignored facts as the year progresses.
As I said earlier. Anyone that is making less $$ now than 4 years ago only needs to seek a mirror to see the culprit.
 
The Washington Post’s Greg Miller reported Sunday that President Donald Trump’s confiscation of the translator’s notes from a one-on-one conversation with Russian President Vladimir Putin in 2017 was “unusual.” This is incorrect. It was unprecedented. There is nothing like it in the annals of presidential history.

It is also truly unusual that Trump failed to bring in a note taker, along with his translator, during his meetings with Putin, as almost every other president has done when meeting with foreign heads of state since the end of World War II. Usually the note taker is an official or aide with deep background in the subject under discussion.

This isn't political as every Republican president from Eisenhower to Bush Jr have notes taken in these meetings.

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President Donald Trump went to "extraordinary lengths" to keep details from his conversations with Russian President Vladimir Putin secret – even from officials within his own administration, The Washington Post reported this weekend, citing unnamed sources.

After meeting with Putin at the 2017 Group of 20summit in Hamburg, Germany, Trump took his interpreter's notes and told him not to discuss the meeting with anyone, including other U.S. officials, the Post reported.

The paper said Trump's handling of the Hamburg meeting was "part of a broader pattern by the president of shielding his communications with Putin from public scrutiny and preventing even high-ranking officials in his own administration from fully knowing what he has told one of the United States’ main adversaries."
 
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dirtyferret said:
The Washington Post’s Greg Miller reported Sunday that President Donald Trump’s confiscation of the translator’s notes from a one-on-one conversation with Russian President Vladimir Putin in 2017 was “unusual.” This is incorrect. It was unprecedented. There is nothing like it in the annals of presidential history.

It is also truly unusual that Trump failed to bring in a note taker, along with his translator, during his meetings with Putin, as almost every other president has done when meeting with foreign heads of state since the end of World War II. Usually the note taker is an official or aide with deep background in the subject under discussion.

This isn't political as every Republican president from Eisenhower to Bush Jr have notes taken in these meetings.

further

President Donald Trump went to "extraordinary lengths" to keep details from his conversations with Russian President Vladimir Putin secret – even from officials within his own administration, The Washington Post reported this weekend, citing unnamed sources.

After meeting with Putin at the 2017 Group of 20summit in Hamburg, Germany, Trump took his interpreter's notes and told him not to discuss the meeting with anyone, including other U.S. officials, the Post reported.

The paper said Trump's handling of the Hamburg meeting was "part of a broader pattern by the president of shielding his communications with Putin from public scrutiny and preventing even high-ranking officials in his own administration from fully knowing what he has told one of the United States’ main adversaries."
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Trump is Russia's greatest asset.
 
Kirby1 said:
It's straight up delusional to blame anyone other than Putin for the war. He decided to invade, not the US.
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And yet:
Kirby1 said:
But one thing is more clear than anything else, Trump would have been on Putin's side. Trump tried to block defense funding for Ukraine while he was president during a critical time, as a favor to Putin. He may infact be responsible for the invasion as a result. At the very least, he made the situation worse.
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So somebody other than Putin is to blame! How convenient the hypocricy!

A delay of less than two months, from July 12 to September 11 of 2019, in disbursing military aid dollars to Ukraine is responsible for Putin invading Ukraine in February 2022, two and a half years later and a year into Biden's tenure.

Talk about delusional.
 
bclaymiles said:
And yet:


So somebody other than Putin is to blame! How convenient the hypocricy!

A delay of less than two months, from July 12 to September 11 of 2019, in disbursing military aid dollars to Ukraine is responsible for Putin invading Ukraine in February 2022, two and a half years later and a year into Biden's tenure.

Talk about delusional.
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By far it's more likely Putin was going to invade either way, but if he was on the fence all all, a weakening of Ukraine's defense plans by Trump certainly helped.

And remember, Trump tired to block the aid all together. The US government had to sue his administration to get the aid to Ukraine. Had Trump gotten his way, Ukraine would have been much worse off.

These are just the facts. If you want to deny them, that is delusional thinking.
 
Kirby1 said:
By far it's more likely Putin was going to invade either way, but if he was on the fence all all, a weakening of Ukraine's defense plans by Trump certainly helped.

And remember, Trump tired to block the aid all together. The US government had to sue his administration to get the aid to Ukraine. Had Trump gotten his way, Ukraine would have been much worse off.

These are just the facts. If you want to deny them, that is delusional thinking.
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So I assume you condemn Obama for having refused to offer any lethal military assistance to Ukraine - which actually and meaningfully weakened Ukraine's defense plans - before Putin took Crimea in 2014. Cool, we agree on something!

Anyway, if we get any further off in the weeds I think we'd find ourselves in Taiwan, so, the last word is yours.
 
bclaymiles said:
The Washington Post's Greg Miller did not report this Sunday. He reported it five years ago.

But sure, let's get a few thousand more miles further away from the topic of this article.
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Donald trump was found guilty for falsifying business records in 2016. Still counts as a felony today, 34 to be exact. He's still the only president not to take notes when meeting with Putin regardless of political party. The orange clown is the topic. His incompetence, his gullible cult members, his cons, his stupidity, it's all on the table.
 
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bclaymiles said:
So I assume you condemn Obama for having refused to offer any lethal military assistance to Ukraine - which actually and meaningfully weakened Ukraine's defense plans - before Putin took Crimea in 2014. Cool, we agree on something!

Anyway, if we get any further off in the weeds I think we'd find ourselves in Taiwan, so, the last word is yours.
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Actually no, because the situation was very different in Ukraine then.

When Obama was president, Ukraine had very different leadership that was basically put there by the Kremlin. It wasn't until Zenenski became president that the opportunity for Ukraine to get out from under Russian control existed, and only then would have made any sense to help them. The fact that Ukraine elected a president that isn't loyal to the Kremlin is literally why Putin invaded.

Do you remember how Zelenski came to power? If not you should look it up. It's very unusual and interesting.
 
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dirtyferret said:
Donald trump was found guilty for falsifying business records in 2016. Still counts as a felony today, 34 to be exact. He's still the only president not to take notes when meeting with Putin regardless of political party. The orange clown is the topic. His incompetence, his gullible cult members, his cons, his stupidity, it's all on the table.
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Remembering all those facts is TDS. Remember? :joy:
 
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